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One of the biggest and greatest values that modern western cultures and societies have is freedom. Particularly, the freedom to choose a life they want.

Not every choice is easy, though, because some choose a child-free lifestyle, but that doesn’t slide with folks who are of a more traditional approach. At the very least, it can be annoying.

But there is a dedicated place to celebrate and debate the concept of antinatalism, as seen on Reddit. Scroll down to check out some of the best memes and posts found on the subreddit and remember that it’s all to further a discussion, so join in on the debate.

#1 That Would Have Been Pretty.. Pretty.. Pretty Sweet

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#2 Society’s Expectation For Having A Dog vs. Having A Child

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#3 Fav Meme Of All Time

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So, r/Antinatalism is a subreddit that supports the belief that having kids is morally wrong and can’t be justified.

The subreddit encourages open debate among members (of which there are 215,000 at this point) and visitors alike, as long as everyone treats each other with empathy, compassion and respect.

#4 I’m Speechless

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#5 We Know A Thing Or Two Because We’ve Seen A Thing Or Two

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#6 Twitter Must Be Tracking Me Since It Literally Notified Me For This Post. Lol

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The issue of antinatalism is more than just not wanting to deal with having kids. It doesn’t officially state I don’t wanna as a reason behind it, but nobody’s stopping anyone from assuming that stance.

Anywho, there are a handful of reasons why antinatalists think reproduction is problematic and those can be boiled down to 5 key concepts.

#7 Came Across This. Poor Daughter

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#8 This Is The Way

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#9 The Breeding To Child Abuse Assembly Line

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The most straightforward reasons in support of antinatalism are the facts that [1] life entails inevitable suffering and that [2] death is inevitable.

In other words, why put someone through a life of indeterminate length, unknown perils (instant or chronic), struggles, strives and tribulations, for it all to end in an even more unknown end is unpleasant to say the least.

#10 Truth

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#11 Finally Representation For Society’s Anti Natal Women

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#12 This Guy Gets It

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This also roots into the idea of gambling with another person’s suffering. Sure, some (and, seemingly, a majority) of people turn out happy overall with the lives they lead, but there is never a guarantee for it.

By proxy, extending your gene pool is akin to gambling with another’s suffering.

#13 Legendary Stuff

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#14 Actually If You Need Kids To Feel Successful, You’re The Problem

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#15 These Fucks Hate Women And They Aren’t Even Trying To Hide It Anymore (Link In Comments)

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Then we have the argument of I didn’t ask to be born. It is generally accepted to ask someone for permission, but how do you do that with someone who won’t even be able to make decisions until several years into their life?

The answer in the eyes of the antinatalist is to not even impose that choice by not creating that situation. But it does make you think.

#16 Is This What Republicans Want To Return To? Life Before Roe V Wade:

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#17 The Dream

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#18 Being A Family Never Has To Require Going Through Childbirth

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Lastly, some argue that there is an axiological asymmetry—the concept of good things and bad things not always having the same and opposing consequences when they are considered as existing or not existing—between good and bad things. With that logic, coming into existence by means of procreation always turns out to be a harmful thing.

#19 Congratulations Its A Tony

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#20 Don’t Do That Fr

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#21 Just Bumped Unto This In Some Random Feed

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That last argument can be extended to include more global reasoning.

One of the bigger arguments is sustainable population. This, of course, refers to the idea that the Earth can support so much until it becomes unable to provide enough to people to live, let alone thrive.

#22 Same Here

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#23 Ugh

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#24 Exactly

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Sustainable population estimates range from 650,000 to 9.8 billion, with 8 billion (with 8.1 being the current global population as of this article) being the average of what most think is sustainable.

This, of course, has an impact on how climate change and other Earth-focused issues might be affected on top of sustainability. This is besides the question of how much would be enough to stabilize the planet’s ecosystems?

#25 It Do Be Like That

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#26 Simple As That

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#27 Screaming

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Lastly, if we’re thinking about it in simple terms, not everyone truly wants to burden themselves with the vast amounts of responsibility that having kids entails. Financial, social and cultural, structural, moral and ethical—all of this multiplied by three given the current state of the economy, ecology, and world order in general. Nobody needs that stress.